[0.0] He turned it around and he said,
[1.8] well, what happened if you don't go all in on cheek of the broad?
[6.0] How many women are you not touching by not going all in?
[11.7] So that totally slipped it from being selfish,
[14.0] all about Melanie to the women that I'm changing
[18.1] on these adventures because truly it's life changing
[21.7] for every single person that goes on these.
[23.7] In some way, shape or form, they come out a stronger woman.
[27.2] Hi there, this is her intentional reset, a podcast for women in midlife curious about whether
[34.2] the career they chose 20 years ago still fits.
[38.8] Here from women who've made pivots big and small, discussed the practical realities, the
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[69.9] Meet Melanie Kiss.
[72.2] Melanie is the founder of Chica Zebrad,
[74.9] a women's group travel company focused on adventure,
[78.6] connection, and empowering women
[80.8] to explore the world with competence.
[83.9] After spending years in healthcare,
[86.2] Melanie made the leap to entrepreneurship
[89.1] to build a life centered around travel,
[91.9] community, and purpose.
[94.8] Through Chigas Abroad, she now leads
[97.5] unforgettable experiences around the globe
[100.5] while helping women step outside their comfort zones
[103.5] and create meaningful connections through travel.
[108.0] She is also the author of two books,
[110.7] Adventure More, Worried Less,
[112.9] Her Practical Guide to International Travel,
[116.0] and When the Compass shifts,
[118.8] navigating re-imvention
[120.6] when the life you built no longer fits.
[124.7] Melanie is also the host of the Chikas Chat Podcast.
[129.1] I'm so excited to have Melanie here.
[132.0] This is her intentional reset.
[135.2] I'm so excited to have you on.
[138.2] I'm all eight.
[139.1] It's great to be here.
[140.6] I want to ask you, Chika's a broad.
[143.5] How did that idea first come about?
[146.2] Tell us about that.
[148.4] Yes, the first nugget of it was in my mind in 2019.
[154.0] I went with a group of girls to Peru and did this hiking trip.
[159.8] And it was with a different women's adventure travel company.
[163.3] And it was just amazing.
[166.1] It was a really hard trip, physically and mentally,
[169.1] emotionally, the high altitude, everything we encountered.
[172.8] And it was just so gratifying to be with a group of women
[175.8] that were supporting one another.
[177.3] And we just had a fabulous time.
[179.7] So that kind of got me hooked on girl strips.
[183.0] And not the girl strip for your laying on the beach
[185.5] drinking a cocktail.
[186.5] It's like adventure girl's trip.
[189.7] So I continued to travel with this company a bit.
[193.4] And it just was sealing a bit offs.
[196.5] The vibe with this company
[198.0] with more geared towards the younger crowd,
[200.2] the 20s and 30s year old.
[202.4] And I'm in my 40s and I hang out with a lot of people
[205.9] then I're in their 50s and 60s.
[207.5] And so I was just wanting to do something
[210.8] a little bit different.
[212.2] And so COVID struck.
[215.2] And I started exploring the national parks
[218.3] with my girlfriends and family members
[221.5] because nothing else was open.
[223.1] So we were at Glacier National Park.
[225.5] There was five of us.
[226.6] And we were just sitting around the table.
[229.7] We had just done a really hard hike.
[231.6] And we bought a huckleberry pie and some ice cream
[234.9] and we're sitting around the table.
[236.2] And one of us said, you know what?
[238.0] We could lead trips like this.
[239.7] We could do these adventure travel trip.
[242.7] And it was just in the moment talking about it.
[245.7] And I went home and applied for business life.
[249.8] Then I was like, okay, yeah, look to do this.
[253.4] And it was in the midst of COVID.
[255.3] I decided to start this travel company.
[258.1] Yes, when no one was traveling,
[260.0] but from that idea sparked what you have today.
[264.3] Why is it set up specifically for women?
[268.3] Well, just from having traveled on women only adventures
[272.5] a few times and just the empowerment you have,
[275.2] the safety you feel, the, you can be vulnerable with one another.
[279.4] And it's just that special bond that you have with other women.
[283.8] They don't worry about their own joy, their own happiness
[286.5] and not, oh, it might have been enjoying this
[288.9] and be having a good time.
[289.9] No, it's just all about them.
[291.9] You can be a little selfish.
[294.1] Yes, I love that.
[295.5] Okay. So I realized that you were also working full time
[299.9] prior to Chica Zaburoad.
[302.0] tell us what you were doing and what life looked like previously.
[306.3] Yeah, so I have an almost 30 year career history
[309.9] and healthcare.
[311.1] And I was in the Health Information Management field,
[314.8] which is the back office,
[316.5] part of healthcare dealing with all the financial
[319.1] confidentiality, patient, right?
[321.9] And I really enjoyed the work that I did.
[325.3] I grew this career and was at the top of my career,
[330.0] But when COVID stretched, it really changed my job.
[335.2] I was on the international team with my helped
[338.8] our organization and so that meant I got to travel
[341.2] all over the world and do really cool things.
[343.9] And I just loved that.
[345.6] But then when COVID hit, everything turned virtual
[349.0] and it wasn't as much on anymore.
[351.6] And even when COVID started to go away
[354.6] and travel opened back up, my company decided
[357.8] that it was working well virtually
[359.6] and we don't have to pay as much for the travel expenses
[362.5] so they just kept most of it virtual.
[365.3] It was no longer bringing joy,
[367.8] didn't have the passion and I had before.
[370.0] So they still kept that job going while I built Chica's Brown.
[374.8] I wasn't able to just like,
[376.4] okay, I'm done.
[377.2] I'm gonna jump right into this.
[378.6] I had to grow the business.
[380.4] Yes, and let's dig into that a little bit more.
[382.9] So when that idea in passing came out in 2020,
[387.2] and like, oh, we should start our own woman's travel business.
[390.8] Were you looking for something else?
[393.5] Where were you in terms of that initial realization of,
[397.3] oh, maybe I'm not satisfied to then be like,
[401.9] no, I need to find something different.
[404.1] Where were you in that spectrum at that time?
[408.2] I was really thinking I wanted to do something different.
[411.2] I was not loving the work I was doing anymore.
[415.1] And my initial thought was that I was gonna open my own business doing consulting work
[422.2] in healthcare.
[423.2] Because I didn't think that Chica the Broad was going to be my full-time gig.
[427.6] It was just a side thing and it's just a way for me to travel and have fun.
[432.5] And so my thought process was, all right, I'm just gonna go into consulting so I can
[438.5] manage my time better and not be tied to this organization.
[443.6] That one might play on it, but then I got retreated away from the organization.
[447.8] I was that with this big paycheck and they said, come work for us.
[453.1] And so I did do that and I went to a vendor and it was actually a really good transition
[460.2] for me.
[461.2] It was one of those things where I don't know if I'm making the right move, but it was
[465.7] when hindsight looking back.
[467.3] I needed that cushion there because I was able to save up a lot of money with that job
[473.5] I was able to set my own hours and it would a lot of project work.
[478.1] So it was almost like consulting.
[480.2] And then on the side, I was able to build my business to you.
[483.6] So it was a good transition for me, but I worked a lot.
[487.6] OK.
[488.5] So after that glacier trip, you immediately
[491.8] got your business license.
[493.8] So walk us through how you were building Chica Zabrad back then.
[499.5] Yeah.
[499.8] So back then it was pretty raw.
[503.3] It was contacting my friends and saying,
[506.1] hey, do you want to go on this girls trip?
[508.2] It wasn't a fully thought out business plan of websites
[513.9] and registration booking sites and marketing and all of that.
[518.6] It was just very small that first year 2021
[522.6] was the first year that we offered trip.
[524.9] And we just had four trips.
[526.7] And they were all somewhat local in the Pacific Northwest,
[530.1] just testing it out to see how I could even do it.
[534.1] And my two friends that I was at Glacier went,
[536.8] they helped with it.
[537.7] On that first year, the three of us went on every single trip.
[540.7] We were just trying to figure out the ropes.
[542.6] That's what we want to do.
[544.0] Is it gonna work?
[545.1] And for about three years, it grew pretty slowly.
[547.9] And then it just started to kick into gear
[550.4] and it's grown a lot.
[552.1] And then I assume it started slowly
[554.4] because you also were working full time.
[557.1] What happened to pick it into high gear, as you said.
[559.8] Yeah, yeah. So as I was working a new job, everything throughout my day, I'm just thinking about
[566.1] Cheek of the Broad and the next trip, the next itinerary and no longer what I thinking much about
[573.7] my health care job. And so I got to a point where I was not giving my all to either one, really,
[582.5] because my mind was over here on Cheek of the Broad, but I had to be attending these conference calls
[587.7] then doing the project work that I needed to do for my job.
[590.7] But I didn't feel like I was being 100% on either one.
[596.3] And I needed to decide at some point which way am I going to go?
[602.9] So I had a mentor that I was working with, just a friend of mine that got into executive
[609.2] coaching and was having conversations with him about,
[613.4] Oh, I can't leave my job because I have this paycheck
[616.3] and it's just holding hostage.
[618.7] And my jig of the broad definitely can't replace that income.
[622.7] And it was all about me, me, and my financial state.
[627.8] And he really flipped it around on me.
[631.9] I'll never forget our conversation.
[634.1] He turned it around and he said, well, what happened
[637.3] if you don't go all in on cheek of the broad?
[640.1] How many women are you not touching by not going all in?
[645.7] So that totally slipped it from being selfish
[648.1] all about Melanie to the women
[651.3] that I'm changing on these adventures
[653.2] because truly it's life changing
[655.7] for every single person that goes on these.
[657.8] In some way, shape or form, they come out a stronger woman.
[661.9] So that was really the kick that I needed.
[664.9] And so I got very emotional about saving money,
[669.0] setting up a timeline for myself of how much longer am I going to work this job and building
[673.5] the business so that I could get into it full time.
[678.0] So what had to be true for you then to be able to finally walk away from carpet and say,
[684.0] I'm going all in.
[685.0] Yeah.
[686.0] So initially I wanted to have all my bills paid off.
[691.2] That was my initial thought.
[693.0] And so I was just stockpiling money to pay off my bills.
[699.3] And that was my thought.
[701.4] But it didn't happen.
[703.0] I really, what pushed me, the final straw
[706.4] was I had a boss that was reporting to you that she
[710.4] and I just did not the IDI.
[712.9] And I had a performance evaluation with her.
[716.0] And it was a poor performance evaluation.
[719.6] And I had never received a poor eval in my life.
[724.5] And so it was a bit devastating to me,
[728.0] but it also, it was that wake up call for me of like,
[732.4] okay, yeah, this is not the path I should be on.
[735.8] I need to get out of this.
[737.2] So I crunch the numbers and realized that,
[741.6] yes, I'm okay.
[742.9] And actually I met with my financial advisor.
[746.0] If I was worried about,
[747.5] him now I'm not going to be contributing to a 401k I don't have corporate pain into that what
[752.9] is this going to look like and I should mention that I'm a single woman I'm don't have a man
[759.0] supporting me or any of that go it'll me and so I talked to him my financial advisor and he's like
[767.4] now any if you never contributed one more cent to your 401k or your IRA you're going to be fine
[774.4] We find so that was really what I needed was like, okay, are good.
[780.2] Yes, that must feel so good. You mentioned that you were single and in your second book,
[784.9] you write about your divorce while you're still working corporate while you're still
[789.0] doing chica zabra part time. You mentioned that there was like a financial debt after the divorce
[795.0] that you debated on should I just keep working a few more years to offset that.
[801.4] was that still weighing in your mind as well or was it still back to your
[805.8] mentor saying like think about all the women that you won't be impacting? You
[810.6] know like there's all these different the rational side your heart side
[814.3] that walk us through you had to like get your heart and your head aligned. Yeah
[820.2] yeah to the very easy to say like yeah this is all about the other women and I
[825.3] want to support them but yeah there's a financial side of it to you I've got
[828.8] the port myself. Yeah, so I did have to take out a loan to pay off my ex-husband when
[834.7] he left, so that was definitely weighing on my mind. I really wanted to get that paid off before
[839.8] I quit my job, but what I did was I lined up some other side jobs. So here was my plan.
[847.9] I had my corporate job and then Chica the Rod was my side gig. So I slipped that where
[852.9] cheek of the broad is my full-time job and then I have some side gigs to bring in
[859.4] the heading income. So what I'm doing right now and this has been for the last year because
[865.8] it was April 2025 when I quit my corporate job. So okay what I did first quarter of 2025 was I
[874.2] lined up those jobs. So I'm teaching as an adjunct professor in healthcare for two different
[881.8] universities. So it's very flexible. I'll do it at my own time. So I've got some
[888.0] study income coming in. I did open up my consulting business. So I can do some
[894.1] project work as I have time around all my traveling. So I've got that going for me.
[899.8] And actually with that, I have more work and I have time to do. So I have to keep
[904.6] telling people no on that. And the other thing that I did strategically was
[910.6] healthcare benefits, I needed those. And so I just had been a few years I've done this, but I
[917.6] got elected to our local community hospital board and it's a six-year term. And with that, I get
[925.0] healthcare benefits through the hospital. And I get a small stipend through them as well. So that
[933.2] was peace of mind as well. I am up for the election next year. So I hope that I get
[938.6] it reelected. If not, then I'll figure out another way to get health insurance. But that
[944.7] was important to me to you to have that.
[947.3] Yes. Thanks for shutting that background. I love how you just said I flipped the script
[953.6] in Maine. She goes abroad full time and then you figured out other ways to have additional
[959.6] income, including healthcare coverage. I think that was a very smart answer-teach-approach
[966.0] to this. So now tell us, it's too good to
[969.6] Brad, you've gone full time since 2025. Give us a
[973.8] little bit more background on what you
[976.5] offer now for women now that you've launched this
[980.0] platform full time. Yeah, so this year we have
[984.2] like 20 22 trips that we're offering and we
[987.5] have a lot. And we go all over the world. I
[990.9] just got back from brief two days ago. So
[994.4] still recovering from that amazing adventure. But we do trips like that on international adventures
[1001.8] where we're hiking, we're wine tasting, we're taking in the culture and the sights and the food
[1007.9] and all of that. And then we also do some shorter long weekend ones in the United States. We go
[1014.8] hiking in Utah. I live in Washington state, so we do a lot and that's a significant northwest.
[1020.2] There's some beautiful hiking around tears.
[1022.6] And what we get is a lot of women,
[1025.3] they'll travel with us on one of our more local adventures
[1028.6] that are four or five days and they kinda test us out.
[1032.0] And it's a good fit for them and then they get hooked.
[1035.6] And then they start traveling all over the world with us.
[1038.3] So we have a nice mixture of trips that are kind of casual.
[1044.2] We have some wine tasting ones,
[1045.8] maybe a little hiking, but nothing too wild
[1048.4] as far as the adventure.
[1050.8] And then we have one center, very adventurous,
[1053.6] like our pre-route trip that we did last year
[1056.4] and we're gonna repeat, we hiked in the Andes for three days
[1060.2] and we were up to 18,000 seat elevation
[1063.4] and we're doing 15 miles a day and so it's hard.
[1067.0] So there's some that you have to be very physically fit for.
[1071.0] And then there's others that you just have to be able
[1073.1] to drink a glass of wine and climb into a hot air balloon.
[1076.3] So we've got something for everyone.
[1079.5] Yes, I saw that there's like 20 trips for 20, 26.
[1083.0] And you've got at least 15 trips already available
[1086.4] on your website for 20, 27.
[1089.7] Do you go on all of the trips?
[1091.7] Not on all of them.
[1093.0] OK.
[1093.8] I have eight other guides that work for me.
[1097.3] All of the guide, they all work full-time jobs.
[1100.6] Besides, cheek of the broad.
[1101.6] They're just independent contractors.
[1103.4] And the what I do each year is I will set up the schedule
[1108.1] and then I will pick the ones that I must go on.
[1110.8] Okay, then I like to go on any new itineraries
[1115.4] just to kind of test them out and make sure they go smoothly.
[1119.6] But then the other trip, I offer them up to the other guys
[1123.2] to see what they're available for.
[1125.4] You know, I would love to go on every trip,
[1127.6] but it's not possible.
[1129.6] Some of the trips overlap, so you can definitely
[1131.4] can't do that. And I am the type of person where I think like, oh yeah, I can just do it all.
[1136.0] I can go on the trips. And then in the evenings, I can work and get everything done.
[1140.2] And it just doesn't happen. You're just exhausted at the end of the day. So I've been a little bit more
[1145.8] intentional about not taking on every trip, even though I really want to go. And giving them to my
[1152.0] other guides to give them a chance to go and giving me time in the office to get other things done.
[1157.7] Okay, so tell the audience how many countries you've went to so far now.
[1163.2] 44.
[1164.2] I just checked my 44th country two days ago after my grief trip I went to Turkey and
[1172.1] Turkey is a place that I have on my radar for a future trip.
[1176.7] So when we're investigating a new place, I like to go check it out.
[1181.9] Sometimes I'll bring my daughter with me and I'll tell you more about her later.
[1185.0] Sometimes she and I go and we'll do an exploration trip,
[1187.9] which those are really fun.
[1189.2] And we just go see everything and build an itinerary.
[1193.0] So yeah, Turkey was number 44 for me.
[1197.0] Wow. Wow.
[1198.9] So how do you decide each year
[1201.4] where Chika Zabraad is gonna go?
[1204.2] Such a great question.
[1205.5] I wish I had an easy answer for you.
[1208.6] It's kind of multifaceted.
[1211.0] It's where does Melanie want to go?
[1212.9] Where is the new place?
[1213.9] I want to check out.
[1215.4] And then I'm also constantly listening to my guests.
[1218.8] And they have insights as well of like, oh, you should do
[1222.9] a trip to Japan or you should go to Thailand or Australia.
[1228.0] If I hear the same destination over and over and over again,
[1231.8] I'm like, OK, I need to look into this.
[1234.3] So Japan is one that I haven't done to yet,
[1237.8] but I've heard it in about 15 times in the last three months.
[1241.6] So she's like, oh, yeah.
[1243.4] I think we need to add that to our itinerary.
[1245.8] So some of it comes from that.
[1247.8] And then we do a lot of repeat trips
[1251.5] and getting to the point where I have six
[1253.6] international destinations each year
[1256.2] that are gonna be on a rotating basis
[1258.0] like every two years are gonna repeat.
[1260.7] And then the guests, they start to see,
[1265.1] okay, it's not gonna be offered this year,
[1267.4] but next year at Wells,
[1268.5] so I gotta get signed up then
[1269.6] and it won't be offered again.
[1271.6] I'm trying to build that supply and demand.
[1274.2] It's a challenge always because maybe
[1276.4] where Melanie wants to go isn't where everybody else
[1279.0] wants to go.
[1279.8] And so I'll put out a trip that I think is just absolutely
[1283.5] amazing.
[1284.4] And nobody finds out.
[1286.0] So I do have to sometimes cancel trips
[1290.4] if we don't get enough people on them,
[1292.5] which is really heartbreaking.
[1294.1] Yes.
[1295.0] What I also like too is that you're intentional with the size
[1298.8] that you cater to.
[1300.0] So just provide a little bit more background
[1302.7] on the limits that you set on that.
[1305.0] Yeah, so most of our trips will have around 10 women
[1309.5] on them.
[1310.2] We were angry this last week.
[1312.4] We had nine.
[1313.7] That was such a nice number because you're able to bond
[1316.8] with everyone.
[1318.3] You'll feel like you're part of a group.
[1319.7] You can blend in a little bit, but you're not
[1322.2] in a massive group in a huge tour of us.
[1324.9] Where you're going to know it with the crowds of people.
[1327.6] We've done trips as small as five people.
[1330.7] And then our, to our largest group we've had is 16.
[1334.4] I like the number 10.
[1335.6] It's a really nice number for the groups.
[1339.4] I really like that.
[1340.6] In addition, I'm aware that you just made the deposit
[1343.4] really reasonable.
[1344.8] Yes.
[1345.7] So in 2027, I changed the deposit for the international
[1349.8] trips to just $500.
[1351.3] It used to be $1,000.
[1353.3] And then we have payment plans.
[1354.7] So for instance, we're doing a trip to Bali in November, 2027.
[1360.2] They put down their $500 and then they're paying like $240 a month
[1365.5] for the next 18 months.
[1367.9] And so this doesn't feel like this huge amount that you're paying all at once.
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[1436.7] adventure more, worry less. This is the playbook that you wish you had when you were solo traveling.
[1443.8] So I want to ask you if there is a woman that's listening, they've never been overseas alone
[1453.0] and going international sounds both terrifying but exciting. Any advice for this person,
[1461.1] solo traveling. Yeah, we get women like that a lot that have never traveled. Definitely haven't
[1468.1] traveled on their own without their family. And so we are happy to help them with their bookings,
[1474.8] with their flights and all of that arranging and oftentimes, if it's somebody that's really scared
[1480.0] and they have never traveled there nationally, we'll coordinate our flight gets all so that
[1485.2] I meet up with them somewhere wherever they're from. Like Minneapolis and I'll meet up with you
[1489.2] there and then we'll go on the things like Amsterdam or wherever we're going. So that helps alleviate
[1494.4] some fears. But I would say that it is a bit overwhelming intimidating if you never have traveled
[1502.7] internationally. But what if you do it the first time? You'll see that the airports in
[1509.3] Amsterdam, Paris, Sydney, wherever, they're the same as the ones in the US. Everything's in
[1516.8] English, people are friendly, they'll answer questions. So it is scary at first. And there's
[1525.0] definitely lots of things that I recommend to people as they're booking their flights. So make
[1529.5] sure you give yourself enough time at your layovers so that you have time to get to your next
[1533.4] gate and go through passport control and all of that. So lots of tips there. And here's the best
[1539.0] items that you should take your travel gear that you'll need on the plane. And we always provide
[1543.5] by packing lists for everybody,
[1545.0] for each of the trips they're customized to the trips,
[1547.4] so you know exactly what to bring.
[1549.4] And that book that I wrote,
[1550.6] and mentioned more worry-left,
[1551.9] actually wrote that in 2019.
[1554.2] So it's very outdated.
[1556.0] I think at that point,
[1557.8] I don't leave my due like 20 countries.
[1559.9] So I've learned so much more than then,
[1562.4] and I'm even third in my book list at that point.
[1565.3] So I really need to do another edition of that book.
[1568.8] Yeah.
[1569.8] Okay.
[1570.6] Okay. So on that note,
[1571.6] I totally forgot in this book,
[1574.7] you mentioned that you are a picky eater.
[1578.6] So now I've gotta ask at that time,
[1580.2] you only traveled to 20 countries.
[1581.6] Now you're at 44.
[1583.0] So has your eating preferences expanded?
[1586.5] Yeah, that's a really great question.
[1588.4] And they have actually.
[1590.5] I've gotten more adventurous with my eating.
[1593.8] Okay.
[1594.7] And part of that is just trying to push myself
[1599.8] out of my comfort zone.
[1601.0] because that's one of the big things
[1602.5] that I do with my business is I want women
[1606.0] to expand their horizons,
[1608.0] whether it's like traveling solo or doing a ziplining
[1612.8] or whatever it is that might scare them,
[1616.2] I try to push them to do that and overcome that
[1619.6] and become a stronger woman.
[1621.6] And so I have to do that for myself too
[1624.3] and follow my own advice.
[1626.0] So I've done that with myself with food.
[1629.2] Yes, I'm not gonna eat anything crazy wild like we were in South Africa and there were these worms that you could eat and I am walking warm
[1637.8] Okay, I have to travel life, but I will try something that I normally don't like and in fact
[1646.5] Almost always when I do that like wow actually I kind of like this
[1651.2] So we're just in Greece. I don't eat seafood and it's not that I have an allergy. It's just not not something
[1657.5] I like and I took the ladies to the beautiful seafood restaurant for lunch and that's all they have on the menu
[1664.1] a seafood and
[1665.6] The ladies knew that I don't eat food and they're like not any way you're gonna eat. I'm like
[1669.4] I'm gonna try every single thing that we ordered because we did like a family style thing and I tried some new fish
[1676.3] that I never tried and like, oh, I actually like this.
[1679.9] So, yes, so I am expanding my palette.
[1682.9] I love that your expectations with your guess
[1686.3] or that positive, like pushing them outside
[1688.9] of your comfort zone that you're taking your own advice to.
[1692.1] Okay, I am going off script here.
[1693.5] So what is it about travel that you love?
[1699.4] So much, but I think it's probably just experiencing
[1704.4] new cultures.
[1705.8] And seeing how other people live and then comparing that to how we live.
[1711.2] And everywhere I go, I feel like I get a little nugget of inspiration of maybe
[1718.4] it's like living more minimalistically and not having six vehicles.
[1724.6] You know, there's a lot of places where they don't even own a vehicle.
[1729.0] They just walk or take a try and or whatever.
[1731.4] And we do a lot of home visits on our tours.
[1736.1] And so when you see how other people live,
[1738.5] and they don't have all the things
[1740.8] that we as Americans accumulate,
[1743.1] and they're happy, and they don't need everything.
[1746.4] So those are the types of things that I pick up.
[1748.3] I was like, okay, what can I glean from this experience?
[1752.5] And I think it just took me a more well-rounded person
[1755.9] more accepting, let's judge mental of other people.
[1759.6] I appreciate that insight and that's something that we all need that exposure in one way or another
[1765.4] whether it's traveling or through other avenues. So thank you for sharing that.
[1769.8] Wow. I do want to get into your other book because I think it'll really resonate with this
[1777.0] audience. It's when the compass shifts navigating reinvention when the life you built no longer fits.
[1783.8] Can you tell us the why you wrote this book?
[1788.8] Yeah, yeah.
[1789.8] So this book has been on my mind for years.
[1792.8] I wanted to write this and it's really about inspiring women to go after what they want in life.
[1802.8] So it took me about five years to fully transition from when I had this nugget of an idea and to move into my role full time and really find my passion.
[1812.8] mind, my passion and life. And I just wanted to share my journey with women. It's kind of
[1818.9] a self-help, self-reflection question that the end of every chapter. I get vulnerable
[1824.8] and share my story and what I went through. And I think that helped that people can see that
[1831.1] it wasn't all roses, it wasn't all great the whole time, but it's doable. And if you
[1836.5] work hard for it, you can reach that whatever it is that brings you joy in your life.
[1842.1] Yes, absolutely.
[1845.1] One of the sections or one of the passages that resonated with me is the chapter on the quiet crisis that no one talks about.
[1854.6] You wrote that there is a silent crisis happening among successful women.
[1859.4] You see it everywhere.
[1861.4] Women who are capable, accomplish, and admired.
[1865.2] Women juggling careers, families, relationships, and endless responsibilities.
[1870.8] women who appear to be doing everything right and yet beneath the surface,
[1876.3] many feel disconnected.
[1878.8] They keep pushing forward because that is what strong women do.
[1884.5] And I think you sharing and acknowledging this quiet crisis out loud.
[1891.1] All of us need to hear that to realize that, wait, because I'm sitting with these
[1897.4] questions like I'm not the only one. You aren't the only one. Many of us are in this situation.
[1904.6] What were you seeing to make you realize that you wanted to share your story?
[1910.7] So others didn't feel alone either.
[1914.2] Yeah, as I was leading these trips, I'm meeting all these women and bonding with them.
[1921.6] And I'm very transparent and share my story
[1925.6] because I want other people to learn from me.
[1928.0] And it just constantly had people asking me,
[1931.6] how did you do that?
[1932.8] And how has this your job?
[1935.1] That this is your life.
[1936.2] You just travel the world and your own vacation all the time.
[1940.0] Now, they don't feel the back end work.
[1941.4] I'm doing best.
[1942.6] It looked like I'm having a great time, which I am.
[1945.4] And then it usually opened up conversations of like,
[1949.0] well, you could do this too.
[1951.2] I mean, not necessarily this, but you could do something that brings you passion.
[1957.3] We always get into conversations on these trips about, okay, what do you do for work?
[1961.1] And I love it.
[1963.1] And although things, no, we've had lots of conversations about not just work, but relationship.
[1970.2] There's a lot of moment on our trips where there's tears shed, we're sharing your story,
[1975.4] and you feel comfortable in this space with these women that you've only known like three
[1979.6] days.
[1980.6] sharing your story. And there's been a lot of huge
[1984.3] transformations that I've seen come out of these trips just
[1987.0] because you resonate with somebody on that trip that you
[1990.4] didn't even know two days ago. And they've gone through a
[1993.7] similar journey and they help you with your job crisis, your
[1998.0] relationship, you're something with your kids, whatever it
[2000.9] might be. And so I wanted to share that with the world, not
[2006.7] just with the few people that go on my trip of here's some
[2010.2] steps that you can take to transition to the life you love.
[2013.9] Yeah, absolutely.
[2017.1] On that, in the cup of shifts, you write about women who are waiting for their clarity
[2022.2] or waiting for the right moment or waiting until they feel ready.
[2027.0] So if someone is listening right now who feels like something is off but can't articulate
[2033.4] what they want next.
[2035.2] Do you have any recommendations on a step that they can take to move them forward to find
[2041.1] some momentum?
[2042.1] Yeah, yeah.
[2043.8] I would say just be very thoughtful with yourself.
[2048.8] And this is what really struck me is when I was working my full-time corporate job, my mind
[2055.2] was constantly wandering to what I really wanted to be doing, whether it was going for
[2061.7] a hike or just doing kayaking.
[2064.5] building a trip by itinerary. It was not sitting at my desk doing a Zoom call and
[2070.0] working on this project, which you know who loves that anyway. But I just paid
[2075.0] attention to where my mind was going. It was actually in the process of writing
[2079.2] this book where I realized that I have had this dream to take women on
[2085.6] adventures. Since I was 16, 15, 16, I was working at a store at a lake and the
[2094.4] I was like, stormed my dad owned and we're out in this forest area and I got into hiking.
[2101.4] And I said to him at 15, 16 years old, like, Dad, wouldn't it be awesome if I could take
[2107.0] people on hikes and get paid for it?
[2110.0] And he was like, oh, yeah, sure, that sounds great.
[2113.4] You're gonna go to college and you're gonna do this and that.
[2115.9] And so it just was swept under the rug.
[2118.0] But when I was writing this book and doing a lot of thinking, I was like, ah, I had
[2122.9] that dream 30 years ago and never did anything with it.
[2128.6] But now that's what I'm doing, I'm taking people on hikes all over the world and they're
[2133.0] paying me for it.
[2134.0] Yes.
[2135.0] That's what I tell people of link back to what is it that you really wanted to do?
[2142.1] What's something that you would want to wake up and do every single day?
[2145.7] I love that connection or that realization that you have.
[2150.5] Oh, my goodness.
[2151.5] I had this very deep down way long ago.
[2154.0] No.
[2155.4] You bring us to a really important topic of what brings you joy.
[2160.7] What are your passions?
[2162.2] And that's another section in your book
[2164.7] that I think you talk about really eloquently.
[2167.6] What resonated with me is you say that I
[2170.6] believe passion was supposed to arrive
[2173.1] like a lightning bolt.
[2175.0] I imagine there would be a single moment
[2177.8] when everything became clear
[2180.6] where I would suddenly know exactly
[2183.0] what I was meant to do with my life.
[2185.7] The kind of moment people describe
[2187.7] as finding their passion.
[2190.4] I waited for the moment, I searched for it,
[2193.5] but that idea is misleading.
[2196.5] Most people don't stumble across passion
[2199.0] like very treasure.
[2200.5] More often, passion reveals itself
[2203.4] through gradual things that quietly pull our attention
[2206.0] energy over time. What I didn't understand then was this. Passion doesn't always announce itself
[2212.7] loudly. Sometimes it grows quietly, patiently while we're busy doing everything else we think
[2219.9] we're supposed to do. I needed to hear that and the timing of us crossing paths, you know, I feel like
[2229.2] the universe brings you the right signs and the right people when we need it. Yeah, I have been talking
[2235.2] about can you make passion your career? And I have been on the search to figure out what
[2241.7] my passion is. And I had thought that it was exactly how you were stating it, that it needed
[2248.3] to be this lightning bolt, uh-huh moment. And I've been sitting here being like, I don't
[2254.3] have that. Am I the only person in this world that does not have any of passion and how boring
[2260.5] is that I'm sad. But I love that you're like, no, it's not going to be like,
[2267.9] yeah, it's typically not going to be a lightning bolt moment. And truly this passion,
[2273.5] it grew over 30 years. And I've been in it deep. I loved hiking when I was 16, but then
[2280.5] which college started a career, started a family. And so for 30 years, I just did what society thought
[2288.5] I should do and yeah it was actually COVID and I keep hearing this over and over from women that I
[2294.9] talked to you like COVID changed their life. So COVID caused me to get a divorce which gave me
[2303.6] the power I needed to be my own woman and do what I wanted in life and it also forced me to get
[2311.8] some hobbies and do some things and I wasn't traveling the world and working and so it brought
[2318.1] pack that hiking and I was like oh I forgot that I love this and I love to travel how can I put
[2325.0] this together and view it so it took a long time to put it all together it was not a lightning bolt
[2331.6] but now I feel like yes I am I am living my passion I'm making a career out of it but
[2338.4] it could take a while to figure out what it is. Yeah and you talk a lot about in the book how
[2344.9] The moment you're saying is take that time to reflect, but pause and notice.
[2350.8] That was a constant theme throughout the book.
[2353.8] Just take that moment to pause and how often are we even doing that?
[2358.6] Right.
[2359.1] To your point with careers being busy, kids, all of that.
[2364.1] Walk us through your realization about what energized you versus what trained you to help
[2371.0] bring you to where you're at.
[2372.7] Yeah, so what energizes me is just being outside in nature.
[2378.7] And whatever it is I'm doing something active.
[2382.7] And to be stuck behind a desk all day doing project work was not
[2388.7] energizing me at all. That was very draining to me.
[2392.7] So I would do a competition with myself every day.
[2395.7] I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get up early. I'm gonna get my work done.
[2398.7] And then my reward is to get outside and enjoy nature in some way.
[2404.2] And over time, the draining part of my day was just less and less and less than I wanted
[2410.4] to do.
[2411.4] And I didn't care about the paycheck so much.
[2414.3] I wanted to enjoy.
[2415.9] And 2025, I made math, the salary that I made in 2024.
[2424.2] And I was happier.
[2425.9] I had everything I needed.
[2427.7] I was not missing out on anything.
[2430.2] So I truly believe that you're going to spend what you make.
[2436.1] And you can live off of much less than what you have.
[2441.1] You need to be in your bills and do all of that.
[2443.1] But I just cut out all the excess stuff
[2445.5] that I didn't need in my life.
[2447.4] And I'm actually much happier now.
[2450.8] If people think that it's too late to make a change,
[2454.9] what would you say?
[2456.0] No, it's not too late, not at all.
[2459.3] I have a good friend of mine that she's 65.
[2464.1] And just decided to make a career move.
[2466.5] She had been with the same company almost 20 years.
[2468.8] And with near retirement, she has about three,
[2471.5] four years that she still wants to work.
[2473.9] And she was just like, no, I don't want to do this anymore.
[2478.0] So she made a complete career flip.
[2480.7] And is loving it.
[2482.1] She's loving her life.
[2483.4] No, it's not too late.
[2486.1] Let's talk a little bit about some practical considerations.
[2489.5] And I really love that you've already
[2491.3] been telling us financially what needed to be true
[2493.9] for you, what the reality was when you did leave
[2497.3] your corporate role.
[2498.8] What did you have to learn being a new business entrepreneur?
[2503.0] Yeah, so it was interesting, even though the careers
[2506.5] are totally not the same at all, being
[2509.2] helped care and then moving into travel,
[2511.4] There was a lot of overlap with the skills that I had
[2514.9] as a leader in healthcare.
[2516.7] I knew how to do budgeting, strategic planning,
[2520.2] work with different types of people.
[2523.0] So all of those skills transferred over to Chica the Broad.
[2526.8] The other thing that came with my 30 years of healthcare career
[2529.9] was this huge network of women.
[2533.1] And they knew me, they trusted me,
[2535.3] and they were following my journey,
[2537.1] whether it was on Facebook or LinkedIn or wherever,
[2540.1] and they came with me.
[2541.5] And so when my business first launched,
[2544.7] it was like 90% of my customers were my healthcare friends
[2549.0] that I've met over the years.
[2550.3] And even still, it's probably about 30% to 40%
[2554.0] of the people that come on our trips
[2555.3] are from the healthcare industry
[2557.5] because they know me, they trust me from that field
[2560.6] and they just follow me over here.
[2562.5] So that was huge.
[2564.7] The things that I didn't know were,
[2567.1] how do I build an itinerary?
[2568.7] How do I price this?
[2569.9] How do I make a profit on this?
[2572.2] And when I first started it wasn't a huge deal for me,
[2575.9] I didn't need to make a huge profit,
[2577.4] but now it's different because of my livelihood.
[2579.7] So I've tried to really figure that out.
[2582.8] And my heart had coached last year
[2585.4] that just deals with the travel industry.
[2588.4] And so she's helped me tremendously
[2591.0] with pricing, the marketing and strategic planning
[2595.0] for my business and how to grow it
[2597.5] and how to deal with independent contractors
[2599.9] and all those things that I hadn't done before.
[2603.9] I definitely recommend to people
[2605.6] if you're going into a whole new feel
[2607.8] that you get expert advice.
[2610.3] If it's from a friend, from a book,
[2612.4] from a podcast, from a coach, whatever it is,
[2615.1] as you're building to work with people
[2616.8] that can help you along the way,
[2617.9] because you'll learn so much more than just the trial
[2621.0] and error that was doing the first four years
[2623.3] of the business.
[2624.9] on that note, I'm networking, I'm trying to figure out
[2630.4] other podcast networking groups.
[2633.3] And everyone is offering a service.
[2635.6] So it's kind of to the point where I'm a little overwhelmed
[2638.9] with everyone is trying to sell you something.
[2642.7] So how did you finally find your coach
[2645.0] that you're like, okay, this is the right one for me.
[2647.5] Any advice on that?
[2649.3] Yeah, so I was actually following this group
[2653.1] that they offered some free online, like some YouTube videos.
[2657.7] And I really liked the information they were sharing.
[2660.5] So I met with the owner of the company.
[2664.1] You know, they offered like a free consultation visit.
[2667.8] So I chatted with him about where I am
[2671.0] in my business and what I need.
[2672.4] And it just sounded like a good set.
[2674.1] So I signed up for six months of coaching.
[2678.8] And I was overwhelmed at how much I didn't know.
[2682.8] And I thought, oh, I'm just going to do six months,
[2684.9] and it'll be great.
[2685.7] But at the end of that six months, I was like, no, no, no,
[2688.7] there's so much more I need to know.
[2690.6] And the biggest thing with it is the accountability.
[2694.7] And I meet with my coach every two weeks.
[2697.5] And I have goals every time we have a meeting.
[2700.4] It's like, OK, what are you going to do by the next meeting?
[2702.5] And so it's just being accountable to her
[2705.9] and knowing that somebody's watching me.
[2707.8] And then she has all the answers, too,
[2709.5] because she's been in the industry for 30 years.
[2712.6] that's good to hear.
[2714.2] Will you share a little bit more of your daughter
[2716.5] that you've been able to bring on board,
[2718.1] provide some background on that
[2719.5] and then how do you figure out the rates
[2721.9] for the independent contractors?
[2723.7] Yeah, so my daughter, she is 26
[2726.8] and she works for me as an independent contractor.
[2730.4] I'm hoping next year I can have her on
[2732.6] as a salary employee.
[2734.3] So she just works on an hourly basis for me
[2737.0] and does a lot of the back office work,
[2738.9] like building itineraries, news matters blogs,
[2741.6] sort of thing and then she's also a guide and then I have seven other guides besides her that
[2749.2] will go on the trips. And so the way that I do that is I pay them a daily stipend when they're
[2757.9] on the trip and then they also they get tipped from the trip. Well that's good but they get a free
[2765.1] trip and they do have to work a bit on the trip but really what the work is is making sure everybody
[2771.4] happy and that you know the logistics and get them to the restaurant on time and
[2777.1] and those sorts of things. Okay you mentioned that commission based income if I am going on a trip
[2783.9] and you do have a guide like what is appropriate to tip in those type of situations? Yeah.
[2789.4] So we've just provided a range of here's what people typically tip between $30 and $50 a day,
[2794.7] but it's up to you. Thanks for that guidance. And then you mentioned you filled our business
[2799.9] to the point where you are able to take in a salary.
[2803.1] It's a very small salary, but I do it for tax purposes.
[2807.8] It's better to pay a salary and you know,
[2811.1] a W2 employee rather than doing like an owner draw.
[2815.2] So Molly, I'm thinking about that.
[2817.3] So I do pay myself a small salary.
[2820.1] And then at the end of the year,
[2822.3] if everything looks good, all the bills are paid,
[2825.7] and there's a profit, then I can take an owner draw
[2829.3] at that point.
[2830.8] So looking back in your book,
[2833.5] you said that money wasn't your deepest fear,
[2836.7] but letting go of that old identity was,
[2843.2] who is the new Melanie kiss now?
[2846.1] Yeah, I no longer care about title and status
[2850.4] and all of that before I was like,
[2853.2] oh, I'm a VP, I just got to a VP position.
[2856.2] I don't wanna give this up.
[2857.4] And we'll look over the senior VP.
[2859.7] I was just constantly climbing that ladder,
[2862.5] getting that bigger paycheck, that bigger bonus,
[2864.6] but how I don't care at all.
[2866.7] And truly, when people ask what I do,
[2870.3] it's much more gratifying now to say,
[2873.7] I own my own business, and I take women
[2876.4] on life-changing adventures around the world.
[2879.1] And that sounds much better to me than,
[2882.7] I'm a vice president of blah, blah, blah.
[2885.3] I can say it with so much passion and joy.
[2888.3] And I want to talk about it all day,
[2890.6] versus my VP job.
[2892.7] I would have understood what I did
[2894.1] and I didn't want to talk about it.
[2895.3] So this is, yeah, all in the world.
[2899.1] I love it.
[2900.0] You made your full leap into Chica Zebrad at 48.
[2905.0] Can you even imagine going back now
[2907.0] to what you were doing?
[2908.2] No, no.
[2909.7] I hope I never have to.
[2911.3] I'm maintaining my credentials,
[2913.7] maintaining good contacts within the field.
[2916.4] If I do have to go back,
[2917.9] but it would take another major pandemic
[2921.3] or some natural did not mean that
[2923.8] we couldn't do travel anymore to make me go back.
[2926.9] So.
[2927.9] Yes. All right.
[2929.3] Because we are not all just career women,
[2932.5] I'm gonna transition to our rapid round,
[2934.5] just really quick questions.
[2936.7] Nothing too heavy.
[2937.7] So I wanna ask you,
[2939.5] what do your kids think of you traveling all the time?
[2943.1] My daughter is often with me, so she's just drapes and it's built a really nice career for her as well.
[2951.1] She's like a mini me. She's just got my thing passion and I'm hoping one day to turn the business over to her.
[2958.1] My son doesn't travel with me much.
[2962.1] She has a few times. He's more of a home body and he takes care of the dog and the house and everything while I'm gone.
[2967.1] It's perfect.
[2969.1] It works out well. Yes. What is one non negotiable for your well-being?
[2974.9] Oh, I need sleep. That's my hardest thing that I deal with traveling to multiple
[2980.9] time zones and all of that. So I cherish my sleep so that I can stay healthy.
[2985.4] There's been a few times where I have gotten sick on trips and it's really
[2989.1] hard to lead a group when you're not feeling 100%. So sleep is not negotable.
[2994.9] I have the same non-decocean.
[2997.7] Yeah.
[2998.7] OK.
[2999.5] This is a fun one.
[3000.5] What is your favorite country and why?
[3003.1] Oh, so I've been to 44, but the number one is South Africa.
[3007.9] I've been there four times now and it's funny because when I first went, I had no
[3013.1] desire to go there.
[3015.1] And once I got there, I fell in love and I keep going back.
[3019.5] I was to really, I love the culture, I love the people.
[3024.3] And especially I love the animal on the safari.
[3027.8] It's just for a wild and amazing.
[3030.7] And it's an adrenaline rush.
[3032.7] So I love South Africa.
[3034.4] But I have to put a little caveat there
[3036.2] because I haven't explored other parts of Africa
[3039.4] that I know also have amazing safari and all of that.
[3042.6] So my answer should change in the future.
[3046.3] OK.
[3047.0] Last question. Is there a mantra or a motto that you live by?
[3051.1] My mantra is to get out of your comfort zone.
[3055.6] And I push myself without a lot and I push other people.
[3059.7] Even if something is simple, we were in grade-flossed week and we were doing a photo shoot.
[3065.8] And some of the ladies were like,
[3067.8] ew, I didn't want to do a photo shoot. I don't like pictures of me and
[3072.0] I push them to do it. You don't have to show anybody the pictures.
[3076.1] It's just a fun time and they did and they loved it.
[3080.0] And it was just, we had a great time with it.
[3082.7] So get out of your comfort zone, try things,
[3085.1] try new things, and for me, you try new foods.
[3089.1] I can't think of a better way to end this discussion
[3092.1] than on that mantra, try new things.
[3095.5] I love it.
[3096.3] Well said.
[3097.1] Yeah.
[3098.0] Melanie, thank you so much for sharing your story.
[3101.2] It's inspiring to hear that at any age,
[3104.7] We can all change paths.
[3107.2] And what I love especially is that you did it slowly
[3111.7] and you were smart and practical about it,
[3115.1] which made all of this be done on your own terms.
[3120.1] If listeners want to travel with you,
[3122.5] read your work or follow along with what you're building,
[3125.6] where do they find you?
[3127.8] Well, you can find me at chikazabroad.com.
[3131.4] I'm also on Instagram, just search,
[3134.1] She gives a broad and one faith book,
[3136.1] she gives a broad so you can find me everywhere.
[3138.7] You go on Amazon and search Melanie Kiss.
[3141.7] You'll find my two books.
[3143.0] So pretty easy to find me.
[3144.7] I have a pretty unique name.
[3146.7] So it's easy to find me on all the social media sites.
[3150.9] We will also make sure that we link all your socials,
[3154.2] your website, and then we'll also link your books as well
[3157.6] on there.
[3158.5] Wait, thank you so much Melanie.
[3161.0] It's been a pleasure to have you on the show.
[3162.7] Thanks again and to our listeners if this episode resonated with you, subscribe on your preferred
[3171.6] streaming platforms you never miss another conversation and share this with one woman who needs
[3177.4] to hear it.
[3178.9] Every subscribe and every share helps the algorithm get the show in front of more women
[3183.7] asking the same questions that we are.
[3186.9] That's how we grow this community together.
[3189.8] remember to explore on your own terms because nothing changes, if nothing changes.
[3196.5] And to our loyal listeners, here are my after show reflections. I really enjoyed this conversation
[3204.0] with Melanie. What a cool career pivot being able to travel the world and getting paid for it.
[3212.7] I appreciated the transparency from Melanie on all things, including the financial considerations
[3219.5] and health insurance and I really loved the mind shift of making Chikasabrod her full-time priority
[3228.2] with consulting as supplemental income. Melanie's book, When the Compass shifts, has a lot of
[3236.3] similar parallels to the book we're working through in her intentional reset experience creative
[3243.1] cluster, the artist way by Julia Cameron. In fact, a couple times throughout the recording,
[3250.2] I would pause and ask Melanie, are you sure you haven't heard of this book the artist way?
[3255.9] Melanie even had a trip to Santa Fe, New Mexico, where Julia Cameron now resides and occasionally
[3263.4] host creative cluster retreats. One part of Melanie's book that really resonated with me that's
[3270.6] also relevant to the artist's way, is on the topic of creativity.
[3276.4] And I want to read you Melanie's words, but she says it better than I could.
[3282.6] From when the compass shifts Melanie writes,
[3286.9] for years I assumed creativity meant
[3290.2] beauty, writing music, or doing something artistic.
[3294.6] I didn't realize creativity can also look like designing systems,
[3299.5] building experiences and bringing ideas to life in practical ways. The more I built itineraries
[3307.1] and crafted travel experiences, the more I realized something important. I wasn't stepping outside
[3314.0] of my strengths. I was finally using them in a way that energized me. I was creative, not in the
[3323.0] traditional artistic sense, but in the way I designed experiences.
[3329.0] I tendererry building turned out to be the perfect blend of structure and imagination.
[3335.9] It required organization and creativity, precision and vision.
[3342.3] Looking back, it seems obvious.
[3344.7] At the time, it felt accidental.
[3347.6] I love that framing on what creativity is because I think a lot of us have quietly decided
[3355.2] that we're not creative.
[3358.1] And the purpose of the artist's waybook is all about unlocking your inner creativity.
[3364.1] This conversation with Melanie was that reminder I needed that creativity can be represented
[3370.3] in all different forms shapes and sizes.
[3373.7] We are all creative in our own right.
[3377.1] We all have our strengths and we all have activities that energize and renew us.
[3383.0] And by doing the work, by reflecting, pausing and noticing, we can unlock our inner creativity.
[3392.3] So this week, my invitation is small.
[3395.6] Notice where your mind goes when it's free to wander.
[3399.5] There's usually a thread there.
[3401.4] If you're interested in joining her intentional reset experience, the artist we create
[3405.8] of cluster, there's still time to join us.
[3409.3] Follow on Instagram or Facebook at
[3411.7] her intentional reset.co.
[3414.3] That's dot c o or more information
[3418.4] or it'll also be linked in our show notes.
[3421.0] That's it for now.
[3422.4] I'll see you next week.